[FrostedGardenMN]

Grow style may also play into terpene profiles. It has been said that the nutrients your using could produce different terps than what you remember. Organic grown vs synthetic nutes, or even different nutrient lines. What were they growing that cultivars in back in the day? If you can recreate that, you might find what you’re looking for.

Also weed back in the day was typically grown under HPS. environment, genetics, growers love…. all change terps. Just some things to consider. Keep growing.

[surfdad_grows]

Rasta Jeff talked about this where you could only get a certain profile from that specific strain in DWC only. Couldn’t get it any other way.

[sicko_grows]

I’ve had some sifts that I’ve done where the flavor I was looking for was 1/26. Some you can go through a hundred seeds and not find the right one.

Selection will get you most of the way but dialing in the feeding and environment to cater to the plant will bring the rest out.

ex: I have and OG that tastes great in soil but the flavor I remember doesn’t come out until I run it on salts with added UV.

so to sum it up, find a plant then tinker with inputs to enhance flavors. Usually takes a few runs for me to get the timing and ratios correct, even after almost 30 years of experience.

[BuddyBranch]

Im gonna try and not give a 5 hour answer, Frosted mensioned growing style, that is called the plants environment, it includes everything your plant will be subject to through its life. well get to genetics after, some environmental factors have little or no effect on terps, but many small differences can have a combined effect, some terps are more prevalent no matter what, but given that you probably dont know exactly how the plants where grown back in the day. it would be pretty hard to emulate those conditions, some factors are obvious like light, soil and fertilisers, but then think of water treatment, altitude, time of year of growing even indoors, while the sum total of the factors that influence the plants chemistry is not perfectly well known, some other factors will not influence terps.

Now if we ignore how long ago was back in the day, we can think about how cannabis has a very diversified gene pool, some breaders have done extensive selective inbreeding of a new strain, but even in the worlds best breeding companies, they use certain shortcuts that can give them the chance to more easily supply an almost constant result, in the same catalogue some are more stable than others, but rare are those who do them up to F10 like it was done with skunk 1, they did a couple off outcrosses, then maybe a backcross before inbreeding 10 generations of select plants, often many couples are used in one generation, then there is a mix and match sequence of those couples progeny, this is why people are still seeking those beans, it has strong allèles, so much that Sam later had em produced by the TON by a hemp seed farmer in Hungary, now theoreticaly a strain like it should remain the same over generations IF the conditions where to be perfectly identical every generation, but in my oppinion it is impossible to get identical conditions over time, the planet is moving at 100 000 miles an hour…no control over that. Plants will evolve slowly if conditions are identical but environment has very little effect on a strong pure breeds physical expression. So a concept to be analysed is that a true breeding strain can show diversity of Phenotypes, but the range of those traits should be recurent, i have a strain of squash that is pure and seems to have 1 of 5 plants that make a different color fruit and this happend for three generations i grew it. So the plant you are looking for may have been one recurent pheno that is always present in small number(still could of been reproduced by clone for decades even under prohibition), but it could be the concept of Genetic Drift that will be greater or less of a factor depending on how pure a strain was reproduced in identical conditions.

So to be more pragmatic, without being nostalgic, if the plants change over generations with good conditions, it is up to us to respect that plants are smart(if you have a good strain) and they want to work with us if we do the right things.. i have the feeling that even the same batch of seeds changes a little over the years, but that would be akin to astrologys natal theme stuff...So what i would do is research the creation of the strain, check all the details, who had it and where did it go, check what descriptions the breaders where giving. A lot of thefoundation strainswhere exchanged or shared between Arjan, Nevil, Sam the Skunkman, Ben Dronkers, Scott Blakey and others in the90s breeding community.

[BuddyBranch]

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Just some notes i found on

Known Phenotypes of Super lemon Haze

1. long, stretched, fastly blossoming, sativa dominant, phenotype #1
2. long, stretched, fastly blossoming, sativa dominant, phenotype #3
3. long, stretched, slowly blossoming, sativa dominant, phenotype??
4. long, stretched, slowly blossoming, sativa dominant, phenotype #2
5. short, compact, fastly blossoming, indica dominant, phenotype #1
6. short, compact, slowly blossoming, sativa dominant, phenotype #1

no mension of terps, but that might also be a question of final stage details

[heavyzakucustom]

Ive grown a few different strains and they all kind of vary.

I had some Sour Deisel that was great, some that really wasnt.
AK47 sometimes smooth other times sour pucker lemon strong and unpleasant.

I like super skunk the most as its been the most consistent performer for me.

even then sometimes I get dense and skunky and sometimes sticky and cheesy scents from them and they are grown in the same mix/water. Ive got a run going now one plant is under an AC Infinity S22 with s16 bar lights and the other three are under two Viparspectra XS1500 Pros. it will be a while before they are done but any differences could all just be genetics playing out in different ways. only way to really lock it down would be with clones so its the same

[jmystro]

If every seed was a winner we would all have fire. But most plants are shit and hunting through trash is the norm. Seeds are lottery tickets. People do win the lottery but to expect to win the lottery is foolish. It’s not easy finding something worth replicating. It takes space, time, work and most of all, patience.

[budwinjones]

How it’s grown makes a difference on terpene profile, but something that a lot of people don’t consider is the genetics. A lot of breeders and seed producers have either lost their original cuts or started farming out their production to white label seed makers. It may not even be the same parental line in the current version of the genetics you’re looking for. And even if it is, you might need to pop a thousand beans to get the profile you’re looking for.

[lancannashire]

Wow team. Some great info to unpack there!

So, I was aware of genetic diversity when growing from seed & that environment will have an effect on plant development & I certainly wasn’t expecting to find a golden ticket in my first 5 pack. But… I had always assumed that those factors would increase or decrease a phenotype’s general underlying terpene profile. e.g most super lemon haze beans, if grown well, would produce flowers that have an element of something reminiscent of those lemon-pepper terps & that hunting through many many beans would help you find the “best” expression of that flavour. Not hunt a bunch of beans, keep your fingers crossed, & if you’re real lucky you might find something close.

I know SLH was bred hydro & under HPS which is the opposite to my set up but still…

Just eying up Attitude Seedbank for everything Lemon vibes. They allow you to “pick n mix” from certain breeders so you can just grab single beans. Might get 1 of everything that is heavy on the limonene & see what arrises.

[BuddyBranch]

In the description it says; Sweet Lemon, Spices and Berry… https://www.ethosgenetics.com/genetics/super-lemon-haze-rbx3